momentous step. >> well, all of us knew, but none of us paid a lot of attention two years ago when the pope mentioned in a long interview -- there was a book interview "light of the world" and he mentioned that "pope could resign. he said he hadn't thought about doing it in the moment. it was a very difficult from then, but he said there are occasions when the pope can resign. there are occasions when the pope should resign. that was a couple of years ago, and i think that was a warning bell. i didn't find out please until early this morning. i got a call to come in early, which i did, and i was told about it, and then, of course, it just happened a couple of hours later. it is certainly a surprise because historically it's such a surprise, but knowing cardinal ratzinger, it's not such a surprise. >> greg, what are the next steps from inside the vatican as you begin this extraordinary process, the historic process that we have only seen in our lifetime several teams, but certainly we've mefr seen in abdication. >> right. it's not all that much different. there's a saying that the roman